Italy Football Federation (FIGC) president Giancarlo Abete failed to back coach Roberto Donadoni after his team´s Euro 2008 quarter-final defeat on penalties against Spain.
i visited italy last year went to rome for couple days and palermo,sicily i enjoyed it alot plan to go again in future would love to go to milan and watch a game
Nando71, I'm not too far away from you. I live just 60 miles west of Philadelphia, PA. One of my best friend here comes from near Atlantic City NJ. I go play golf there every now and then.
Lippi should come back as the Italian Coach...Donadoni never looked right from the moment they announced he was to become coach of Italy, Italy were just to poor and no excuses can be made...They didnt deserve to win and so it happened.
I don't want his head, I just never thought his mentality was right for the team. The only games Italy won were against weaker teams. Not just in this tourney, but over the last two years since taking over. And player fatigue has been a concern since day one.
That is the law of the game at this level. Italy expects to get into final or even win ? each time. If they don't the manager takes the blame and most likely loses his job. Perhaps Donadoni added something to Italy's style but the fact remains he didn't get them to final or win. I wouldn't expect him to keep his job - would anyone these days ?
I played soccer 30 years.but I can honestly say that I never remember when my coach won or lost the game for us. The coach is much like a conductor. Musicians have to be good because conductors don't play an instrument while conducting. If national team players need to be stimulated by the coach, then they are not good players.
Some interesting comments Tontodonati -I tend to agree with some of what you are saying but not all - I am wondering to what level you played and if this is a factor? You have far more experience in the game than I can pretend to have but in any situation any organisation can be inspired by great leaders (for good or bad) great leaders. How many times in history has a leader been given the credit for some achievement ? Leaders with charisma and great ideas can galvanize/catalyze an organisation to success and this can include sporting teams. There is nothing wrong with this if it can turn a bunch of otherwise underperforming unco-ordinated misfits into a success unit. Guus Hindink gave a measure of sucess to three international teams - Australia, South Korea and now Russia - was it just chance he chose these ? - or is he a good judge of players and could see success before took these jobs and had many offers to choose from ? Or is he one of those good leaders in history ?
Putzar, good reply, but you're stating a different topic. Guus Hidding is a good evaluator of talent not a leader. You mentioned that he coached Holland, Australia, South Corea and now Russia. Well, what has he won? He cannot play the game. Players must play it. A political or charismatic leader banks on the ignorance of his followers. It's a lot easier for the mass to follow a charismatic leader by yelling and screaming. There's no talent in that. Soccer players must have talent and motivation to make a coach look good!
Hey Tontodanti and others. True - players need good level of ability but it appears good manager/coach can make difference. I know for Italy success is winning a tournament but for teams like Australia qualifying for WC and reaching knockout stage was a milestone -and and Turkey they will be well pleased with their semi final finish in this tournament (even if they are still sad in defeat at moment). For sure those who follow likes of Hitler appear to be mindless and gullable, but their must be what you would term great leaders in coorporate world etc. Any case according to your idea it will make no difference whether Lippi or Donadoni is in charge of Italy for next WC. Personally I would be fearing Italy with Lippi in charge more than Donadoni from an opponent point of view and I think a least some would agree with me. In any case seeing as you have vintage 1982 WC knowledge. I am old enough to remember it as well...a great world cup it was...I have theoretical question for you ? If Italy in the 1982 tournament had to do without Enzo Bearzot (excuse if I got spelling wrong) or Paolo Rossi which one would you have chosen ?
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Tontodonati June 23rd, 2008 00:09
Congratulations to Spain. They finally won against Italy in 88 years. We were unimaginative today, Spain deserved to win!Tontodonati June 23rd, 2008 00:11
I hope Italian's haters are happy tonight. There's a day for everyone. Enjoy it!NANDO71 June 23rd, 2008 00:49
congrats to Spain they finally won a big game i think Italy sure could use pirlo they spread the defence with him on the pitchTontodonati June 23rd, 2008 01:23
Nando71, where do you live in USA?NANDO71 June 23rd, 2008 01:31
new jerseyNANDO71 June 23rd, 2008 01:33
i visited italy last year went to rome for couple days and palermo,sicily i enjoyed it alot plan to go again in future would love to go to milan and watch a gamefidene June 23rd, 2008 01:34
Spain deserved to win, Italy thanks to their coachplayed the worst international competition since 1996. Giovanni, Italy
Tontodonati June 23rd, 2008 01:54
Nando71, I'm not too far away from you. I live just 60 miles west of Philadelphia, PA. One of my best friend here comes from near Atlantic City NJ. I go play golf there every now and then.thedude June 23rd, 2008 02:01
Fire Donadoni!NakedWake June 23rd, 2008 03:01
I've been saying for awhile I do not feel Donadoni is the right coach for Italy.rajesh June 23rd, 2008 12:03
Lippi should come back as the Italian Coach...Donadoni never looked right from the moment they announced he was to become coach of Italy, Italy were just to poor and no excuses can be made...They didnt deserve to win and so it happened.gunner_eagle June 23rd, 2008 18:09
Capello would have been great as Italy manager. :)Tontodonati June 23rd, 2008 18:18
Perhaps, those who criticize Donadoni could submit un application for the job of national team's coach!NANDO71 June 24th, 2008 01:48
if Italy would've won people would be praising him instead wanting his head tough crowdNakedWake June 24th, 2008 03:52
I don't want his head, I just never thought his mentality was right for the team. The only games Italy won were against weaker teams. Not just in this tourney, but over the last two years since taking over. And player fatigue has been a concern since day one.pulzar June 24th, 2008 07:17
That is the law of the game at this level. Italy expects to get into final or even win ? each time. If they don't the manager takes the blame and most likely loses his job. Perhaps Donadoni added something to Italy's style but the fact remains he didn't get them to final or win. I wouldn't expect him to keep his job - would anyone these days ?Tontodonati June 24th, 2008 12:11
I played soccer 30 years.but I can honestly say that I never remember when my coach won or lost the game for us. The coach is much like a conductor. Musicians have to be good because conductors don't play an instrument while conducting. If national team players need to be stimulated by the coach, then they are not good players.pulzar June 24th, 2008 17:30
Some interesting comments Tontodonati -I tend to agree with some of what you are saying but not all - I am wondering to what level you played and if this is a factor? You have far more experience in the game than I can pretend to have but in any situation any organisation can be inspired by great leaders (for good or bad) great leaders. How many times in history has a leader been given the credit for some achievement ? Leaders with charisma and great ideas can galvanize/catalyze an organisation to success and this can include sporting teams. There is nothing wrong with this if it can turn a bunch of otherwise underperforming unco-ordinated misfits into a success unit. Guus Hindink gave a measure of sucess to three international teams - Australia, South Korea and now Russia - was it just chance he chose these ? - or is he a good judge of players and could see success before took these jobs and had many offers to choose from ? Or is he one of those good leaders in history ?Tontodonati June 25th, 2008 00:26
Putzar, good reply, but you're stating a different topic. Guus Hidding is a good evaluator of talent not a leader. You mentioned that he coached Holland, Australia, South Corea and now Russia. Well, what has he won? He cannot play the game. Players must play it. A political or charismatic leader banks on the ignorance of his followers. It's a lot easier for the mass to follow a charismatic leader by yelling and screaming. There's no talent in that. Soccer players must have talent and motivation to make a coach look good!pulzar June 26th, 2008 15:30
Hey Tontodanti and others. True - players need good level of ability but it appears good manager/coach can make difference. I know for Italy success is winning a tournament but for teams like Australia qualifying for WC and reaching knockout stage was a milestone -and and Turkey they will be well pleased with their semi final finish in this tournament (even if they are still sad in defeat at moment). For sure those who follow likes of Hitler appear to be mindless and gullable, but their must be what you would term great leaders in coorporate world etc. Any case according to your idea it will make no difference whether Lippi or Donadoni is in charge of Italy for next WC. Personally I would be fearing Italy with Lippi in charge more than Donadoni from an opponent point of view and I think a least some would agree with me. In any case seeing as you have vintage 1982 WC knowledge. I am old enough to remember it as well...a great world cup it was...I have theoretical question for you ? If Italy in the 1982 tournament had to do without Enzo Bearzot (excuse if I got spelling wrong) or Paolo Rossi which one would you have chosen ?